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=Suggestions=
===Shrink the map===
 
 
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===Barricable Streets===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Minothor|Minothor]] 19:33, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' --[[User:Uroguy|Uroguy]]<sup>[[Zookeepers|TMZ]]</sup> 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Barricade Change
|'''Type:''' Map change
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' The ability to barricade the sides of a block (North, East, West, South) to create walled off sections of the city would allow for survivor colonies, unrestricted by free running.<br />
|'''Description:''' There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.
(For Kevan and coders)<br />
One way I can imagine this being possible would be an array of 4 tiny-ints [N,E,W,S] in the database entries, corresponding to existing barricade levels.<br />
So for example [0,0,0,21] would result in "The streets to the South have been extremely heavily barricaded"
This is merely a suggestion and there's probably a more efficient way of implementing it.<br />
'''Advantages:''' The ability to effectively wall off multiple blocks to create a barricaded region as opposed to a single building. Baricades could also be used to help control zombie movements.<br />
'''Balancing:''' Barricaded regions would have the same risks as barricades on malls, forts, manors etc. Any breach in the walls would allow zombies to spill into the area and overrun the inside. Especially since each side would be treated as an individual barricade, blocks on the corner of a region would have two faces that require rebuilding.<br />
In addition to this, larger regions would have a larger perimeter that needed patrolling and maintenance making defense more difficult.
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====Discussion (Barricable Streets)====
====Discussion (Shrink the map)====
Because we can all agree that zombies need an even harder life and trenchies need more things to fuck up. --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 20:19, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
 
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===Corneal damage/Dark seeking===
===Action Points===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Paynetrain|PAYNETRAIN]] 05:37, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wolldog1]] 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
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|'''Type:''' new skill
|'''Type:''' Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
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|'''Scope:''' zombies
|'''Scope:''' Everyone
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|'''Description:''' This is a skill which is only available to zombies.....now we all know that zombies spend half of their lives in the dark except when breaking down barricades and entering a building,so this skill-"Dark seeking" allows the zombie to see better and have better accuracy in the dark and have a lesser accuracy in the light(just the opposite of survivors who have better accuracy in the light)this allows the zombies to easily kill survivors who AP out on the street which increases the risk of APing out or standing outside.
|'''Description:''' Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction,  I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.
 
'''Balancing it:'''when buying this skill the zed will have an increase in accuracy outside but have a decreased accuracy in lighted up areas,in other words less seeing in buildings with running gennies.
 
'''Probable outcomes:'''zombies will exhibit characteristics just as seen in movies such as going for the genny first and then the survivors,dragging out survivors onto the street.etc
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====Discussion (Corneal damage/Dark seeking)====
====Discussion (Action Points)====
So, basically, you intend to 1) make killing street treats and 2) dark building inhabitants easier, and 3) shift zombies' priorities towards taking out gennies.
 
Thematically, this is plausible and feels right. No issues there.
 
Gameplay- 1) "Just standing outside", as it is, is usually a suicide move in any burb with an actual zombie population, however, so this suggestion won't change much. 2) But I do enjoy the idea of zombies having a further accuracy advantage in cinemas, thus making sleeping there more of a tactical choice (a trade off between security from PKers and security from zombies). 3) I am not so keen on the idea of *having* to take out the genny first. Most permagreen burbs are loaded with needlessly placed generators everywhere, so this would again contribute to the "rich get richer" your last developing suggestion had. However, this is not much of an issue because, after all, this would be an optional skill that players can choose not to take if they don't want the light debuff. I think this is a pretty solid idea overall. --[[User:RadicalWhig|RadicalWhig]] 06:28, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
 
The main problem with this idea is underlying complexity - it touches multiple things and can easly upset balance (if there is any), when not examined carefully. Bellow are some questions, that need anwser or more detail in my opinion:
* What is the scope of skill? A) Every unlit place that is missing generator, including terrain outside buildings. B) Only unlit dark building like Cinemas, Banks and Clubs.
* What is the value of modifier for this skill? I don't get part "just the opposite of survivors who have better accuracy in the light". In dark buildings both survivors and zombie get -50% penality hit to accuracy (e.g 40% becomes 20%). Does this means that zombie with skill should get +50% in unlit places (maxed out claws: 50% becomes 75%) and -50% when genny is on? I would like to know specific number.
* What about hit rates against barricades, generators? Those will also change by default and it will have big impact. Hitting working generator will be much harder thanks to penality to hit rates in lit building. On other hand with improved hit rates outside, taking barricades will be easier.
* What about tangling grasp? With increased hit rates you get bigger chance of getting and maintaining grasp. I would guess that with big enaugh change, you could take grasp for taken, which would work just as even bigger boost.
That should do for the moment, there are other issues, for time being lets just disscuss this. --[[User:Labla|Labla]] 19:42, 7 February 2013 (UTC)
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'''On the people standing outside-'''what was implied was that many of the zombies come across survivors who forget to check their AP and as a result AP out on the street before making it to a safehouse.Most lower level lone zombies rely on these survivor's for their XP(i know i did)but the main problem was the lower accuracy on the streets which lead to a wastage of AP.So by Buying the skill "dark seeking"you can increase accuracy and reduce AP wastage.
===Drone===
 
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'''Genny killing'''-its just an option to kill the genny(survivors fight in the dark even though there is a reduce in accuracy,same principal here)the zombie can also resort to dragging survivors out onto the streets if necessary.
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness/Quiz|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[The Great Suburb Group Massacre|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]<sup>[[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: DarkRed">Want a Location Image?]] </span> </sup>  19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
[[User:Paynetrain|PAYNETRAIN]] 09:17, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
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|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.
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====Discussion (Drone)====
Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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===Decaying barricades===
===Backpack===
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|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Labla|Labla]] 13:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
|'''Timestamp:''' [[User:Wild Crazy|Wild Crazy]] ([[User talk:Wild Crazy|talk]]) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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|'''Type:''' Barricade change
|'''Type:''' New item
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|'''Scope:''' Everyone
|'''Scope:''' Survivors
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|'''Description:''' <br />
|'''Description:''' This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).
 
: '''Add slow decay of barricades to unattended buildings, making over-barricades ghost towns at least useful to new players.'''
 
'''Rationale'''
 
Urban Dead player base is shrinking with each day, which has great impact on the game. Suburbs without large buildings (Malls) or/and organized active groups become desolated. This in turn leads to creation of over-barricaded ghost towns in many cases.
 
In normal condition zombies would work like savanna wildfire, ruining suburb from time to time (and later survivors would reclaim red part of the city). This doesn't necessary happens, in some part of the Malton it is hard to find a single zombie or numbers are so low, that ferals have very low impact. This is natural as predators follow their pray, which leads to clustered player activity in UD.
 
What is the bad part? Barricades in desolated areas stay the same or goes up thanks to Fiddler's Green Syndrome. It is hard to find any use for those places, beside huge free running lanes. New players will avoid this area - finding a safe house can be close to impossible. Experienced survivors will also have hard time finding entry point. Same goes for zombies, EHB and small food supplies just drives them off.


At least in case of completely ruined suburbs, there are mobile groups and also unaffiliated survivors who enjoy reclaiming this type of terrain. So what we can do with over-barricades ghost towns?


'''Solution'''
Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?


Add slow decay to unattended buildings. Barricades should go down after some time. Keep in mind that main beneficents should be new players. Buildings with lower barricades make good safe-house for new survivors. They are also easier to open up for zombies.
A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


'''Possible problems'''


Finding right balance, it is a double edged sword. Example: negative impact of too fast decaying barricades will not be limited only to survivors - think pinata tactics.
Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?


'''Mechanics'''
A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


This is part I would like discuss, before submission. Barricades are central part in UD mechanics and even slight change can have great impact. I wouldn't be surprised if I missed something crucial, leaving a loophole. Bellow you will find the very first draft.


After 3 weeks without touching barricades, decay should kick in. If building is empty at the time, barricade should go down a one level per day. Decay stops when someone rebarricades building (successful attempt) or barricade level reaches VSB+0.  
Please give your thoughts.


This means that building at EHB+2 would drop to VSB+0 in about a month. Why VSB+0? I picked up this level, because it is used at rot revive clinics as good compromise. Provides some security, on other hand it can be taken by zombies pretty easy.
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====Discussion (Decaying barricades)====
====Discussion (Backpack)====
Great idea. It'll have no impact at all on suburbs that are being hotly contested, but for suburbs that have been largely abandoned, it should help to make things easier for both sides, since new survivors will spawn there more often (they only spawn in VSB buildings) and newbie zombies will see VSB cades and know that they can actually have a hope of taking them down and getting inside. Plus, it'll avoid Fiddler's Green, as you said, meaning that entry points should be easier to find in those suburbs. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 16:19, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 
It may have been suggested before, I will eventually check. Also, welcome to Developing suggestions, feel free to ask any questions, and using the comments box on your edit to ask for help is always a genius move. Well played sir. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  17:42, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
: It was suggested before, probably more than once e.g.: [[Suggestion:20091010_Barricades_Degrade_With_Time]]. Not sure if different rationale and better, more specific description is enaugh to not get duped. --[[User:Labla|Labla]] 18:20, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 
I like the mechanic, but I would prefer something that actually reduced the playing area rather than (as this seems to) increasing it. There's a reason a number of suburbs are effectively abandoned, and it's because the player base has shrunk. Having new players spawn in useful but practically empty suburbs probably isn't the best thing. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 18:10, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
: Same mechanic, just one ransack on top of that and new players won't spawn there. --[[User:Labla|Labla]] 18:55, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 
out of box thinking I know, but how about any building with a repair cost above x, has all their barricades destroyed? The [[decay]] description could be modified to reflect this.--[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  19:15, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
:So, you'd essentially wear down pinata barricades over time? Yeah, I could go for that as well. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:37, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
::I think the issue of overcading of repaired buildings in green(ish) suburbs is a bigger one that that of piñatas. Although I assume the suggestion as presented here would affect both equally. {{User:Bob Moncrief/Sig}} 20:14, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
:::I believe the piñata is a viable tactic, and I don't wish to damage it, however, in my experience they're almost impossible to maintain. A single life cultist can easily break them down, so a high decay value wouldn't mess with them imo. As for green areas, it's more tricky. Maybe a "Maintain barricades" button for 0ap? A decay rate and description for cades? I just want to keep it simple. --[[User:Rosslessness|<span style="color: MidnightBlue ">R</span><span style="color: Navy">o</span><span style="color: DarkBlue">s</span><span style="color: MediumBlue">s</span><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span>]][[User_Talk:Rosslessness|<span style="color: RoyalBlue">l</span><span style="color: CornflowerBlue">e</span><span style="color: SkyBlue">s</span><span style="color: LightskyBlue">s</span>]][[User:Rosslessness/Safehouse_Hatred|<span style="color: LightBlue">n</span><span style="color: PowderBlue">e</span>]][[Monroeville Many|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]][[Location Page Building Toolkit|<span style="color: PaleTurquoise">s</span>]]  20:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't put in a "Maintain Barricades" button that doesn't seem to do anything. I'd just put in some flavor text along the lines of, "The building has been very heavily barricaded. The barricades are dusty after weeks of being untended and are starting to come apart." Something like that would tell people both what was causing the issue (leaving them alone for weeks) and how they can fix it (tend to them). {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:08, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 
Hello!
*Suggestion comments. The mechanism for barricade decay probably won't make sense. Sometimes it's okay to have things not make sense in Urban Dead, as long as it makes sense for it to not make sense. For example, the existence of zombies, revification syringes, magic self-surgery.
*Other comments. The real problem with barricades is that they're boring. It's not gamemechanic-imbalanced (though arguably gamefun-imbalanced). Barricades prevent the two sides from interacting most of the time. Barricades don't interact with anything and they're not interactive. They don't come back to shoot you after you break them down, nor do they rise up to bite you from under your feet. They don't say anything, and they don't move. They block zombies from eating survivors and survivors from being eaten by zombies. The main excitement of the game is the two sides interacting.
Barricades are boring. I don't have a solution.--{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 19:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
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Shrink the map

Timestamp: --UroguyTMZ 16:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)
Type: Map change
Scope: Everyone
Description: There are just over 3000 active characters in the game currently likely counting a significant percentage of alts and zergs. Shrinking the map by eliminating the outer first two rings of suburbs would increase the amount of interactions between the remaining characters. This shrink could be increased or decreased depending on future changes to the playerbase.

Discussion (Shrink the map)

Action Points

Timestamp: User:Wolldog1 10:07, 26 July 26, 2022
Type: Action Points Increase Regeneration Rate
Scope: Everyone
Description: Due to the passage of time with mobile games and other real time action games without restriction, I think that we should address the action points system of the game. This game can only realistically be played for 5 minutes a day. So it's not really a seller for new blood. If we want to see this game survive it needs to evolve into something more exciting than 5 minutes. My suggestion is double the regeneration rate to improve activity. I love this game. I want to play it more. And the die hard fans I'm sure feel the same. More will go on in a day, sure. But that's for both sides. We're ready for it. Let's get this game moving again. We need this.

Discussion (Action Points)

Drone

Timestamp: RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:10, 23 July 2022 (UTC)
Type: Survivor Item
Scope: Survivors
Description: Portable drone, found in mall tech stores, which are pointless as we all know. Encumbrance is 10%. When activated for 15ap they provide an image of a 10x10 grid centred on the survivor, showing the current outside status of all blocks including zombies, survivors and dead bodies. Like DNA scanners, Drones are multi use.

Discussion (Drone)

Would there be a message displayed to the players to the effect of "there's a drone buzzing overhead", similar to a flare? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:19, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Backpack

Timestamp: Wild Crazy (talk) 20:55, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Type: New item
Scope: Survivors
Description: This will be a new item found in schools with a 2% find rate and sports stores with a 4% find rate. The low numbers are because, like a flak jacket, once you find it you have it forever. It increases you encumbrance by 30%. However, you can't use an item that is in your backpack until you remove it from the backpack. It costs one AP to add an item to your backpack and one AP to remove an item. An item affects your regular encumbrance until added to the backpack. Items such as GPS, radios, cell phones, and flak jacket do not work when in your backpack. Items in your backpack will not be shown in your inventory, but the backpack itself will be shown in your inventory. There will be a drop box next to the word backpack that shows all the items inside. When you click on an item in that drop box, it removes it from your backpack (1 AP).


Q: Wouldn't this buff survivors, since they can carry more bullets and kill more zombies?

A: Since it costs an AP to add and remove an item, it wastes a lot of AP to put bullet clips in your backpack if you are planning on using them right away.


Q: If it wastes AP, what is the point?

A: It will be useful if you want to carry around an extra stash of items, such as FAKs and Revivification Syringes, or if you are going far away from any resource buildings and need some extra supplies.


Please give your thoughts.

Discussion (Backpack)

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